Sure, the interview was Friday, but the Defense Department just released the transcript of Defense Secretary Bob Gates’ interview with Al Jazeera, and it’s hard
“„Q Were you baffled by the — President Obama’s envoy, Richard Holbrooke, when he was asked about progress and how he would measure progress and he said, “We’ll know it when we see it”?
“„SEC. GATES: I probably would have answered the question differently.
“„Q How would you have answered it?
“„SEC. GATES: I would have answered it: I believe that success or progress will be as — when we see the Afghan national security forces, the army and the police, assuming a greater and greater role in protecting the — in security operations protecting Afghanistan and the Afghan people, so that we can recede first into an advisory role and then leave altogether.
“„So in a way it’s somewhat comparable to the situation in Iraq, where we have — where our role has become less and less prominent, where the Iraqis have taken a more and more prominent role in protecting their own security. And I think that that’s how we will measure — be able to measure — one way we will be able to measure success in Afghanistan is as we see the Afghan security forces taking a more and more prominent and leading role in protecting their own security.